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Miketrix
Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:57:48 AM
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Location: Brussels
Hi,

I found out GSP last year and the recent improvements made on this application are great.

One thing that could still be of great addition is the support of custom TAGS.

As we speak about GSP, people who really want to manage their medias generally have categories (pictures, video, ...) and store the files using folders, which is great. However, tag support would add one missing dimension to the media management in GSP.

Let's say I manage tons of pictures and icons, my goal is to tag all medias related to "Appels", even if I don't store them in the same folder (as they could come from different image libraries)...

Finally, having a Tag Cloud (configurable) and linking the GSP search engine would help easily finding medias related to a specific term/tag.


What do you think? Is this something already considered for one of the next version of GSP?

Thanks a lot!

Michael.
Roger Martin
Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:17:22 PM
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Location: Fort Atkinson, WI
This is something I have been wanting to do but haven't thought through how to implement it. The concept has been done many times in other apps so if anyone out there has experience and is willing to offer some time to add this to GSP, we would all be thankful.

Or if you know of any open source code projects that can help with this, let me know.


Roger Martin
Lead Developer for Gallery Server Pro
Miketrix
Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:20:16 PM
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Location: Brussels
Hi Roger,

I appreciate your quick answer.

To start learning about tags (theory), I think there are two interesting links to share:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(metadata)
- http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2005/09/09/categories-versus-tags-whats-the-difference-and-which-one/

Now, instead of posting a thousands of links, I found one that exposes a short but interesting comparison of different tagging systems approaches. The article also links to several other sources which are also good to read:

http://www.pui.ch/phred/archives/2005/04/tags-database-schemas.html


I just thought this would be a good start. Please let us know (anyone of you) of your interest for this in GSP?

Thanks!
compugraph
Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:54:33 PM
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Location: Germany
Mike,

for the time being I made a more or less quick hack in Rogers Source (currently recoding and reviewing) it, to support all custom XMP tags in every namespace. Currently we read out the whole XMP stream, pushing it in an XML namespace reading only those single nodes we care for.

The MS Implementation of WPF has some bugs when reading additional tags (other than current Galleryserver does) running in a multithreaded environment.

I'd be glad to help you.

Ralf.
Miketrix
Posted: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:16:55 AM
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Location: Brussels
Hi Ralf,

I never heard about XMP before (sorry I am not really involved in those topics) but it seems to be an extra meta information layer that can work with any type of file.

I'm not sure what is required in order to use that XMP format (should we install their client on the machine?), and I don't know if this is something that Roger is looking into...

Anyway, that's a good remark.

What kind of features did you actually add to GSP using that XMP support?

- can you classify your media with tags? how easy is it to assign tags to an item?
- can you search for tags?
- can you manage your tag lists?
- can you display tag clouds ?
- etc...

Thanks again for your input.

Michael
compugraph
Posted: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:11:37 PM
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Location: Germany
Mike,

with XMP Adobe tried to integrate Asset Metadata in a very scalable and flexible format.

the .net 3.5 wpf classes are capable of Querying and !WRITING! that data (with a few bugs inside), actually GalleryServerPro uses that with .net 3 installed.

With XMP you can use every XMP-aware Application (there are a lot of them) to edit metadata.

For our current project I rewrote Rogers Metadataextraction using the XMP structure to obtain hierarchical data for keywords, different languages and other representation data.
see Picture Archive.

Classifying media is done in a front-end application like all Adobe CreativeSuite applications or, in that case, Adobe Lightroom.

Tag clouds are just another matter of presenting the already existing metadata. Using .net there's a Cloud Control, weights for the tags could be derived from the hierahical keyword representation in Lightroom or any other custom idea.

I'm now waiting for a more robust implementation of the WPF classes from Microsoft allowing to write back changed metadata to the assets.


Ralf
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